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Old 02-17-2019, 01:01 PM   #11
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Was it difficult for you to find a new therapist? Was it difficult to trust her and tell her about what happened with the male psychiatrist?

I had trouble finding and trusting a new therapist. I still have trouble trusting her.

My experiences were similar to what you describe here:

The psychiatrist tried to continue Ďtherapyí after he stopped the intimacies, too. But we could never return to the topics that brought me to therapy again. Therapy became about (mostly me) talking about the Ďrelationship.í

It kills me he was paid by me and my insurances for all of these visits.
It kills me that he could have done *nothing* therapy-wise and that would have been tons better than what he elected to do.

He didnít have to cure me. He could have done nothing. He could have just not HURT me.
Now I still have the issues that brought me to therapy plus the new traumas he gave me.
It was difficult to trust T because when I was inpatient all docs and Ts talked to each other about patients, I didn't trust anyone there.
When I started to see my current T I was afraid she could know any of hospitals workers and talk to them, I also was afraid that she could find out who he is and report him but she said that it's against her ethics to do it.

I have never paid my doc, it's miserable for man to ask money for session which is date

I can't say that my relationship with him influenced anything about therapy to others. I don't regret that I was his lover, it hurts that it's over.
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Old 02-17-2019, 11:29 PM   #12
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I hope this is the right place to mention this.

Sometimes if a previously upstanding older citizen starts talking dirty, or worse, it could be an early sign of dementia. Disinhibition, Inappropriate Sexual Behavior ISB, quite common in geriatric patients, and unfortunately might appear when someone still functions in a professional context. Iím throwing this in the mix in case you encounter it like I did. Itís still jarring and creepy no matter the cause.

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Old 02-18-2019, 12:08 AM   #13
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I hope this is the right place to mention this.

Sometimes if a previously upstanding older citizen starts talking dirty, or worse, it could be an early sign of dementia. Disinhibition, Inappropriate Sexual Behavior ISB, quite common in geriatric patients, and unfortunately might appear when someone still functions in a professional context. Iím throwing this in the mix in case you encounter it like I did. Itís still jarring and creepy no matter the cause.

Treatment of Inappropriate Sexual Behavior in Dementia | SpringerLink
Thank you for mentioning this.

This is a very important thing to keep in mind indeed. Dementia sufferers often are not cognizant of when the illness starts creeping on them. It is, usually, more obvious to outsiders. My both parents suffered from dementia, which manifested more heavily in my mom, so I've seen how unaware people with this condition may be.

When this is the case, people who are close to the person-family, friends, colleagues should have a conversation with them as soon as they see the signs of illness. The sooner it happens, the greater the chance is that the person would be able to be receptive to the feedback and to take some protective measures for the future that would prevent potential harm they could inflict on others and on themselves if their mental health continues to deteriorate.

In psychotherapy, for better or for worse, age is not considered a limitation but rather an asset, as the old age is often associated with wisdom. Because of that and because the work is not physically or intellectually demanding, many therapists are old, and, I mean, REALLY old. And, since they often practice in isolation, oftentimes, there aren't many people around who could let them know that they are starting to lose it..

In the ethical code it says that it is ethical responsibility of each professional to have an honest and compassionate conversation with a colleague, who is becoming or has become incapacitated and unfit to practice. Unfortunately, ethics don't mandate professionals to report such colleagues in case if they are not receptive to the feedback and not willing to address their condition.
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That seems to have happened to another Pdoc I saw prior to the exploitation. He was always eccentric. Several years after I saw him he was arrested for over-prescribing and selling prescriptions. He was never like that when I knew him (that I know).

His family also noticed other odd behaviors, hypersexuality, detachment, odd decisions, arriving at a formal dinner dressed but without a shirt..but they didnít connect it to any type of dementia at the time. At least, not early enough.

The last I heard, he was serving a ten year sentence in federal prison:

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I'd lived with therapist/lover/partner/abuser ( you get the idea) for a few years when she decided I was having trouble with depression again. She referred me to the therapist that she had sent many of her old clients to after she "retired". In retrospect, a large part of why she wanted me to see a therapist was because I hadn't gotten a formal divorce from the father of my children. She wanted me to be divorced, and was hoping there was some money involved. She prepped me on how to avoid disclosing who I was living with, even to the point of omitting pronouns. I was unbelievably good at the secret keeping - the new therapist told me later she didn't even suspect. I'm thinking now that exploitative therapist created a great scenario for me, because once I revealed the secret the new therapist felt betrayed as well. Watching her going through processing steps was very validating. This totally makes my experience with subsequent therapists very different than that of others here. I've seen two other therapists since because I've moved. Both times I disclosed a lot to potential therapists, watching for their reactions and listening for certain keywords like betrayal of trust, asking if I had reported etc. I also think there is an element of lucking into the right people.
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I'd lived with therapist/lover/partner/abuser ( you get the idea) for a few years when she decided I was having trouble with depression again. She referred me to the therapist that she had sent many of her old clients to after she "retired". In retrospect, a large part of why she wanted me to see a therapist was because I hadn't gotten a formal divorce from the father of my children. She wanted me to be divorced, and was hoping there was some money involved. She prepped me on how to avoid disclosing who I was living with, even to the point of omitting pronouns. I was unbelievably good at the secret keeping - the new therapist told me later she didn't even suspect. I'm thinking now that exploitative therapist created a great scenario for me, because once I revealed the secret the new therapist felt betrayed as well. Watching her going through processing steps was very validating. This totally makes my experience with subsequent therapists very different than that of others here. I've seen two other therapists since because I've moved. Both times I disclosed a lot to potential therapists, watching for their reactions and listening for certain keywords like betrayal of trust, asking if I had reported etc. I also think there is an element of lucking into the right people.
Can you explain a bit more about your experiences with subsequent therapists? If Iím reading correctly, you have trust issues with them? Are you afraid they wonít Ďget it?í or afraid they will make you report?

Itís not unusual to have trust issues of subsequent therapists after exploitation no matter whether the exploitation was emotional, sexual, financial..

I had a particular difficult time trusting the two subsequent therapists. I donít think I trust my current T 100%.
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The first was really more of a simultaneous - I saw her for two years while I was living with ex T. Who said I should trust the new therapist. So of course I did.

I think with the next therapist, and the current one, I screened them well, but was also prepared to back out. I reported with the 2nd. The first would have liked me to.

I think what I had to learn to trust was my ability to protect myself.
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I hear that!

I continue to feel /fear making bad decisions for myself.
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Does anyone have any articles on the types of clients that therapists tend to target for this most often (understanding of course that it can happen to anyone but In curious). Obv they feel like they have to be very careful. Pedophile priests target the lonely kids with bad homes or previous abuse and it feels maybe similar here?
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Does anyone have any articles on the types of clients that therapists tend to target for this most often (understanding of course that it can happen to anyone but In curious). Obv they feel like they have to be very careful. Pedophile priests target the lonely kids with bad homes or previous abuse and it feels maybe similar here?
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