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Old 01-14-2019, 05:38 AM   #21
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That text came off robtic sounding. Yes i get the point but for a final text? Blah. Nothing fun or anything. Not even a happy holiday or whatever. Just seemed so cut and dry. Not typical
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When you originally posted about it I read it as the others did but also to stop you contacting him. Iirc that was the second text contact? After the last meeting and I read it that he thought unless he was tough the texts would continue.

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On your original question, it's really hard - there is no magic. The main way I would suggest to believe in that 1% is to try (and know it's sooooooo hard) to have less black and white thinking.

So reading your posts I believe he did care, he did have fun with you, did enjoy your company. It happened. But now he has other priorities that for him come above bending the best practice to see you outside the therapy framework. That is his decision in the context of his life. It does not negate what went before.

As I read it you think it does and that is what I see as the black and white thinking. I do that, struggle hugely with it so no judgment here. But it is a cognitive distortion.

But I can't tell from your posts whether you feel and rationally believe it or whether you feel it but know it's not the full picture. For me I try and work towards the latter and that would give me the 1% belief.

Hope this helps but if not tell me to bugger off! Only want to help you.
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Well I did reply and basically wished him happy holidays and said thanks. He ignored it. He could easily ignore stuff. I was never the person to be too much there. I always respected his space. He ignored several texts in the past and I let them go.

I was well aware the texting would end then. Actually when i sent the photo that am. I wrote, i know you lose your phone soon but I wanted to send this so you could see it before. I knew exactly when it all ended and he had no reason to assume I'd think we'd keep texting

Also it's funny you mentioned b&w thinking. He brought it up often and even in his goodbye letter said something about remembering its not always or never. I even sent this text screenshot to my friend who is pretty rational compared to me and she said it sounded robotic
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I was well aware the texting would end then. Actually when i sent the photo that am. I wrote, i know you lose your phone soon but I wanted to send this so you could see it before. I knew exactly when it all ended and he had no reason to assume I'd think we'd keep texting

Also it's funny you mentioned b&w thinking. He brought it up often and even in his goodbye letter said something about remembering its not always or never. I even sent this text screenshot to my friend who is pretty rational compared to me and she said it sounded robotic
A couple of things stand out to me with the text. One is that even if the text sounded robotic, or may have actually been robotic, it doesn't mean his tone or affect or feelings in the moment were actually that. Even if he was feeling robotic in the moment, it could have been not about you or your relationship, but some kind of overwhelm about wrapping up his work and starting a new job, lots of paperwork and other stuff to take care of in that context.

I also wonder if he could have been nervous about texting after the last session, worried that it constituted "contact" before the 2 year period. He does seem to be driven by the "rules" in that issue.

The other thing that strikes me is that the robotic text was just dealing with the issue in front of him right now, responding to the photo. He didn't ignore that text. The happy holiday text that he ignored seems more benign in that way.
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I want to add something else that may be important to why these thoughts are in my mind constantly.

Yes the final text was definitely the trigger. Felt robotic and uncaring but also maybe cuz it was final

In one of our last sessions...I brought up how it seemed he didn't care and was unphased by all this. He asked me if I'd feel better if he cried too and I said yes but he didn't

Other than laughing and our chit chat, he was emotionless and unphased the last few sessions. Like when i broke down reading my goodbye letter. He just sat there. Normally he'd say something funny or comforting or hug me. Nothing

His goodbye letter seemed so professional sounding and not personal much at all. It felt like in the end the care was gone.

When we hugged goodbye and I said I would miss him that was the first time he said he'd miss me. I was actually quite ok that evening and he sent a silly text late that night but then the robotic text....and my mind couldn't stop replying how casually he walked away and how unphased he seemed in session

It brought me deep into believing I didn't matter after all and he didn't care anymore etc. Hence where I am now
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To me, this was just a man, I got to know and I loved being around.
So it all feels fake to me now like how can I mean anything to him
but he can casually walk away?

Im unsure of how to get myself back on track with better thoughts but
I need some advice on it. Even if its a 1% chance of seeing him again
someday, I want to hold on to that and help me get through the day,
where as right now, I have 0% belief of it.
I don't think there is a pat answer to "mean anything" question but that does seem different to me than the "fake" feeling you have. I think he's afraid of losing his license so he, in his mind, has to walk away for two years and then wait for you to contact him. I think a version of this scenario has been played out in the movies, such as when Secret Agent has to leave True Love but can't tell her why or how, just has to ghost her. Of course the story is that we understand her devastation but we secretly root for her to discover the real truth and for them to get back together again. "Covert Affairs", a TV show from back some time, with Piper Perabo, starts with a romantic vacation on a foreign and isolated beach.

But the feeling that your relationship was "fake," I guess I come to it, like everyone else, with experience from the human side of it rather than the T side of it. I don't really think it's possible to fake the kind of connection you have. It is possible for someone to use that connection to get something out of you, i.e. a con artist, but it does not seem like he had any motive then or now to do so. Does that mean he cared about you in the specific way you wanted him to? I don't know. Maybe the caring was fake, but the connection wasn't.

So a few years ago I developed a friendship with a con artist; she showed up at a hospital with mysterious injuries and a chronic, potentially lethal illness and I was asked to volunteer to help her with her Big Legal Problems. She was one of those people who inspired a number of us helping professionals to pull out all the resources for her. It was right after my spouse's death and she was highly intelligent, well read, and just the best conversationalist, able to talk about everything from big scientific ideas I could barely understand and personal experiences that she may or may not have had. I never revealed anything deeply personal from my past with the exception of my spouse's death and the challenges of my work and single parenting, so it wasn't a complete friendship but it was way beyond just a caretaking relationship. I helped move her from place to place as she found people to stay with and then who grew tired of her over-staying, there were times when she needed things and was bumping up against barriers in the system designed to help her, and I would just buy the things for her. Mostly I just gave her my time, as she needed lots of support, long after I'd collected the information I needed to help her legally but she was never ready to move forward with that (and I was volunteering, not expecting payment). This went on for more than 2 years.

Then something happened where some of her other caretakers, more suspicious people than me (or smarter), contacted me and we collectively realized she was manipulating stories to engage people to help her. The fact that there were others helping her in different ways encouraged me, and so was true for them. Although I'd been suspicious for awhile, because of some inconsistencies in what she said, I believed she was truly in need of help and I still believe she was, she needed everything a homeless person truly needed but wasn't in need of legal assistance. I believe I would have been willing to help her no matter what, even if the true story was that she was just homeless with all the problems that entails.

In my typical longwinded storytelling, the point of revealing all this is so you can understand how real my connection was to her. And it had nothing to do with the fact that we had this supposedly professional role (and unlike T's, lawyers are not prohibited from personal or social relationships with current or former clients-- not sexual relationships though, at least in my state); my connection to her was just human. We could talk in ways and enjoyed each other's company and found many points of similar experiences in different parts of the world, and of course the backstory she told about how she came to be homeless was fascinating (and that last part was all bull, I'm not sure how many other things she told me about herself were true).

But no matter was the truth was of what she actually said to me, the connection was real. Beyond the connection, I felt that she truly cared for me, wanted the best for me, hoped that my struggles would get easier and I would find peace from the big grief of my life. Did she pursue the relationship with me for what I could materially give her? Maybe, although I really didn't give her much, and never money. Was I just a "mark" to her and she was hoping I'd sign over my bank account eventually? Who knows. Could she have cared for me and still gone after me as a mark? Probably. The only thing I know for sure, and that I still feel even knowing what big lies she told me and doubting that anything she said about herself was true, that the connection I felt while talking to her was real. I don't think connection can be faked. People can use connection for their ulterior motives, which I think was true for her. But that's where I think my story differs from yours.

Edited to add: I just wanted to say that I think your posting about this is courageous and I like how you are straight about what you do and do not want in responses-- it seems like this has been hard for you to talk about but I feel like your persistence in trying for some resolution is leading you someplace important. The issues you are raising are big and important ones, and I hope you will find the support you need here.

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His goodbye letter seemed so professional sounding and not personal much at all. It felt like in the end the care was gone.
And if I were his lawyer, I'd advise him to be ultra professional in anything written down to a client
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DP, I think you're doing an amazing job respecting his space. Many would have contacted him by now, and your forbearance speaks of strength.

I wonder if reading about all kinds of relationships ending would help? Break ups of all kinds hurt, and this is the feeling of being left. It is a horrible feeling, and it is deeply part of life and of human experience. It ties us together. Many whose significant other cheats/leaves /ends a relationship ask these same questions - did you ever love me, did your heart harden to me now and you no longer care? Sometimes the other person grieved the whole relationship before taking action, so they are at the end of a long process before leaving- but their love was real in its time.

If your T cared, he still cares. Maybe in a never-ending story kind of way but probably he thinks of you.

It may be he made a really tough decision he feels is in your best interest. Failing at a job and a marriage puts hardly anyone one in the right place in their heart to be connected and be healthy in relationship without a lot of work and time.
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And if I were his lawyer, I'd advise him to be ultra professional in anything written down to a client
Understandably but why write anything then. It doesn't help me at all
The letter would be in the trash if he hadn't included a joke at the end. I didn't like any of it otherwise. Same crap he probably says to everyone
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