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Old 04-01-2018, 12:17 PM   #1
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Hello,

where you live, is there an expected role that men have to play in society/community or even in the family?

or is there a shared role which it seems like it is where i live. What are your thoughts on this?
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What is the feminine imperative? (self.TheBluePill)

You commented on the other thread that you didn't mind following the rules of the society, and that is a quite weak position in my opinion. I suppose people these days are more flexible? And the feminine imperative is a big threat in our society. I still haven't checked on the concerning issue of #metoo trend, but what I've been learning about recent feminism activities is that they are so smart and they have crept in to our moral/social fabric of our society, which I think definitely includes the expected gender role you'd like to talk on this thread.

The Red Pill side is more rational, I have a lot of reading waiting on this. I'm hoping to learn good stuff from the experts who know about the true nature of women. Where I live is not so different from the West, but I can tell you that the legal system probably haven't ruined by the feminine imperative too badly yet. This is for divorce (rape) cases and as for groping on a crowded train or something they call an upshot photos? I'm not quite sure about the name of the activity but my country has too many perverts in the society and young, middle-aged, mostly young, I guess, men like to take a picture of women's underwear at train station stairs or at an escalator.

And, all the mobile phones are sold with a camera with a shutter sound because of it. The feature is required by the manufacturer by the law? I'm not sure about the legal details but I'm sharing this story to explain how my country treats its citizens. We have regular pedophiles too I suppose, so I get to see these big signs around kids school notifying the public, "Perverts Alert!", this is not restricted to school areas, I'm guessing the police have something to do with this too? They get reports of a woman being followed or something else, I don't know what. But they put up sign wherever in quieter streets, I don't live in a big city but I see these things in half residential areas in my neighborhood.

Those streets are used by female commuters, many people work various shifts and it's not so different to UK probably. Women weren't allowed to take night shift till 10, 15 years ago, the government used to discriminate against women, now it's changing, yeah? For the worse, haha and ha.

We don't have that gate thing for cashier at a gas stations anywhere, it was quite a culture shock when I first saw it. It looked like the lady was behind the bar, and I've been living in my country for the most of my life, I'm forced to feel like being male in this society is pervertedly criminal. Ordinary people are so not educated about cultures outside of the country, the ethical cultural difference is just relative to them, which is quite annoying. There's similar exceptionalism like the one in the US, whatever they do, they think their ways are superior in the Asia and possibly in the world, I'm not kidding.

Criminal statics will probably tell us that most crimes are committed by men, BUT our police on national and local levels are all corrupt, they cook numbers and hold the suspect without the access to an attorney for quite a long time, you can go check the info on Amnesty International.

These are maybe not what you expected to hear on the subject but you were super vague in your first post. Society is hella bigger than you asked in just two of your sentences!

Narrow it down please. And please please put more effort in your writings. Which part of the society are you talking about? Why do you think there's this or that in this very topic 'Gender role and society'? I'm sorry to say this, but here's the truth. No one can write worse than you just did. I don't know your age, the major media outlets in your country shape their stories all the time, what's your source for your meaningless opinion?

If you have the energy to get online, I'm pretty sure you can elevate your posting 'habit'! Thanks for reading.
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Good morning. Gender Free!! I feel free!

How's it hanging Dawg? You say you're ascending on your update, d'you want me to call an animal rescue? If it were a cat, that'd be a lovely story. Cat has many variety of cousins in the wild, wolves have different type of coolness, and the domestic dogs are all genetically modified, aren't they? Sometimes dogs walk like their owners do, they don't look free to me. There were three cats night strolling on the street last night, one of the leading one had this bell on its collar, I whistled at them, but they didn't care. They are all thinner than many other cats in the hood, and of course I can't tell which genders they belong to. There were also big cat fights at like 2,3 in the morning? I'm guessing those are male cats, playing their roles in the nature. Do they try to like, force intercourse on female cats? I may google it someday.

Please try to use your imagination Dog on a T as I said in the previous post, 'Making it Interesting', is a thread starter's job, isn't it? It's different to a chat topic like the one on the link in my first post, because the new term 'feminism imperative' was something people were already curious to know, the interesting factor has the pull or eye-catching effect in those words themselves. Just think of all the occupations in the world, some people think that the positions that doesn't reward back in monetary means could also be considered as jobs, and the certain positions are filled without equal ratio on gender, and there's our own sociological take on the statistical data, I'm just saying there are so many ways to go explore on this topic.

If you want a simple answer, I will refer you to Google, so are you ready to talk or what? Are you thinking like, there should be or there shouldn't be?? 'What it seems' and what you feel about it are real to you, and your honesty will always be appreciated on a forum like this. It's not like I trust every words that anybody says here more than I should, the responsibility falls on the shoulders of forum readers.

Is it OK to describe behavior as feminine or effiminate? @Quora

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.....So if we are to compare these two and extrapolate to a larger trend, the word used to have a more literally and directly insulting meaning; it currently is more descriptive of behavior or mannerisms that some people, but not necessarily the author, consider to be derogatory.
This is rather random but I hope people will take a look at above link. Some of you may just go like, "Oh, the word is so derogatory, I would never use it!" and the female imperative instruct us that 'we prefer' gender neutral expressions, which is a bogus claim. People 'listen' to words they don't like and they freak out. Some people, yeah.

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is there a shared role which it seems like it is where i live. What are your thoughts on this?
This says nothing meaningful. It's not explaining why it seems that way to you and I don't personally knows you. So if I said exactly the same thing word for word about UK, your expression and my expression weights about the same in my own assessment, objectively speaking, yes? In my own head though, I have direct access to my brain so, I know better and the raw thoughts holds much more information, and we all make a choice of what to say.

Quora is obviously on another level, here, you don't get to use people for your entertainment. This is my personal opinion of course...

Lemme continue some more. Women's March and #metoo, these are happening world wide. And as you said, Dog, some people like to know what other countries are like. So there's an intersectionality between relativism and the world wide point of view, which derives from biological and (cultural) anthropological(?) viewpoint, stuff like that. I hate people who thinks the human morality doesn't cross country borders, people like this are often hypocritical, but that's probably outside the scope of this chat topic.

Throw us a bone, Dog on a Tree.

And I don't have any treat for you, if I had it, I'd be eating it myself MadMax style, which means I'm poor. UK is a big country with big economy, at least you might wanna divide the countryside life style and the big city one, aka pompous culture, so what roles did you have in mind?

By the way, when I got on the main Google search page today, I got this video of Maya Angelou, today's her birthday. Her biological sex and her color of skin intersect. Kids learning her poem at school doesn't rationalize this over,,, overdoing of tyrannical oppression of 'equality everywhere'!! SLPC(Southern Poverty Law Center) in the state has been pushing a lot of sinister agendas, I confirmed it before I came here by watching like 5 seconds of Sam Harris, so what I'm saying to you, Dog, is that don't hold anything back. You will regret either choice A or choice B, it's the attitude and cajones that matters.

And yeah, don't be shy about the gender role of Islamic State!!. If you know anything about it with your own intuitions or experiences, please feel free to share with me.
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Hello Takeshi, thank you for your replies.
All i will say is that in regards to my opening post, i am going to continue asking questions/making threads in the way i choose to. Nevertheless i respect your opinion and wish you all the best, take care.
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I think all societies have pre-defined gender roles which inform societal expectations of what it means to be male or female. One of the problems I experience is that I do not fit into the gender roles my society defines. This causes a lot of problems for me and it makes me feel terribly alone. I do not fit in with any one particular expectation. I am not very masculine, but neither am I overly feminine. I am gay, so I don't fit in with the hetero-normative aspects of society; but, I am not particularly interested in 'gay culture' so I really don't fit in there either. It doesn't help that I have a general fear of others. I suppose that is one of my shortcomings. Gender roles are difficult, especially for the people whom do not fit into one particular role or another. I am thankful I neither live in an eastern nor middle-eastern society where I would most likely be arrested or killed. Nonetheless, living in western society still has it difficulties for those whom do not fit into the little boxes society has created. There are reasons to fear others, even in western societies. At 32, I still haven't found where I belong, particularly as it pertains to gender normative behaviors.
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