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Default looking for diagnostic manuals that contain Poly Fragmented DID

frequently on the boards a dissociative disorder comes up called Poly Fragmented DID.

I am curious about this disorder and would like the official diagnostic manual that this appears in. to be clear Im not looking for blogs, twitter, facebook ectera pages...

I am looking for actual diagnostic manuals (example DSM 5, ICD10, ...) where this appears and what the actual diagnostic manual information on this disorder is,

reason I am interested in finding actual diagnostic manuals with this information is because here in america we do not have this disorder...

our dissociative disorders here in america are...

DID
Dissociative Amnesia
Depersonalization / Derealization Disorder
Other Specified Dissociative Disorders
Unspecified Dissociative Disorders

none of which include anything close to something like Poly Fragmented DID that I read about on the boards.

I am very interested in learning about this poly fragmented DID from the actual diagnostic manuals not just any website... diagnostic manuals include more information than general websites that any one can make.

I googled and find all kinds of ....opinions..... of what this disorder is but in following actual DSM back through the years and then some to DID's beginnings here in america i cant find any actual diagnostic manuals that contain the official diagnostic manual information on this disorder.

Im thinking maybe there are other mental health diagnostic manuals than the DSM 5 and ICD10 that may have what they do not...

Has anyone ever researched this Poly Fragmented DID to the point of actually finding an actual official diagnostic manual that goes in depth about this?

if so I would really like the information on how to find the the diagnostic manual so that I can learn about this disorder through the diagnostic manuals.
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Default Re: looking for diagnostic manuals that contain Poly Fragmented DID

update...

So far I have not yet located an actual diagnostic manual that contains a disorder labeling of PolyFragmented DID.

The DSM 5 and ICD10 are definitely out of the search now. I received an email from the American Psychiatric Association stating this disorder labeling does not appear in either of these two diagnostic manuals for mental health.

I am now researching the CCMD (Chinese Classification of Mental Disorders) so far lots of sexual based mental and physical disorders but not PolyFragmented DID.

if you know of any other mental health diagnostic manuals please let me know either in this thread or by pm.
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Default Re: looking for diagnostic manuals that contain Poly Fragmented DID

It just means some systems needed more than others to hide the traumatic past problem because more abusers, say several usually has mind control SRA features. Dr Richard Kluft has written some case studies google the name with poly fragmented DID...
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It just means some systems needed more than others to hide the traumatic past problem because more abusers, say several usually has mind control SRA features. Dr Richard Kluft has written some case studies google the name with poly fragmented DID...
Thank you dlantern but thats not what I am looking for. I am not looking for case studies or therapy models.

I am looking for a book that lists Poly Fragmented DID as a separate mental disorder, its diagnostic criteria, its diagnostic coding, its cultural information and much more.

things I am not looking for....tweets, facebook, blogs, case studies, ....

I know that the american diagnostic book (DSM 5) and the WHO / ICD all do not have this mental disorder listing I am looking for. Neither does the CCMD,
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Default Re: looking for diagnostic manuals that contain Poly Fragmented DID

I have never heard of it being an actual diagnosis but rather just a term that was coined by someone to describe systems with 100+ alters.

Although I have read different definitions, that's the one I have seen most often.

I'm not sure where it originated but am assuming it's because the word poly means many.

IDK though for sure.
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I have never heard of it being an actual diagnosis but rather just a term that was coined by someone to describe systems with 100+ alters.

Although I have read different definitions, that's the one I have seen most often.

I'm not sure where it originated but am assuming it's because the word poly means many.

IDK though for sure.
I located the origins of the therapy model but not the diagnostic manual for the disorder. thanks for your reply, sent you a pm.

update on my search ........diagnostic manual I am now looking into is the PDM (Psychodynamic Diagnostic Manual)
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Keep us posted, would be a wonderful read.
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Default Re: looking for diagnostic manuals that contain Poly Fragmented DID

Good luck, I bet you wonít find it. I find it more as a descriptor in describing oneís system. I used the wording myself in describing my inner world.

What is itís intended purpose? It depends on the user, I guess.

Sometimes I find us using it in such a manner of ďlife was so bad, we had it really REALLY hardĒ as a trophy making us the worst of the worst thus resulting in our present state of multipleness. I try deleting those posts when I find them, so immature and very childish full of pride and craving sympathy (sick).

Sometimes itís just used as a lazy way to describe the nature of our mental defect....a fragment producing brain- so donít ask for names- too many and too hard to care to remember: leave it at that.

This would be my take on it. Also would be interesting to read other peoples views and perspectives on it to see if they in some way parallel mine, spoken or unspoken.

As a diagnosis...donít see it.
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Good luck, I bet you wonít find it. I find it more as a descriptor in describing oneís system. I used the wording myself in describing my inner world.

What is itís intended purpose? It depends on the user, I guess.

Sometimes I find us using it in such a manner of ďlife was so bad, we had it really REALLY hardĒ as a trophy making us the worst of the worst thus resulting in our present state of multipleness. I try deleting those posts when I find them, so immature and very childish full of pride and craving sympathy (sick).

Sometimes itís just used as a lazy way to describe the nature of our mental defect....a fragment producing brain- so donít ask for names- too many and too hard to care to remember: leave it at that.

This would be my take on it. Also would be interesting to read other peoples views and perspectives on it to see if they in some way parallel mine, spoken or unspoken.

As a diagnosis...donít see it.
yes I realize that I may not find it as a ......disorder..... like you have stated people online (not just here all kinds of self help forums) use this term in all kinds of ways sometimes not meaning in the way it was meant to be used.

that said I have been told often enough by people in various online groups that it is a ......disorder..... and I have read enough posts referring to it as a ........disorder.....

my point.......I felt it was now important enough to me to actually research this avenue. To settle my own confusion and possibly others are having the same problem when encountering posts here and everywhere that refer to this being a ......disorder.... but not finding anything about the ......disorder....

besides a bit of research never hurts anyone and I have learned some new things in the process like where the term poly fragmented came from... it came from someone named Putnam who devised a therapy model of measurement of severity of DID, an assessment tool.

as for locating more diagnostic manuals I have emails in to a few more american embassy's in other countries like Japan, Germany, India and others who I have not heard back from yet on those locations diagnostic manuals and whether those countries have a ........disorder..... with this name.
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Default Re: looking for diagnostic manuals that contain Poly Fragmented DID

I was just thinking about this.

After all your hard work and research and if you find out for sure it's not a diagnosis it's really not going to stop anyone from using that term or claiming it is one.

You can educate people but ultimately, what they say and do is up to them.
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