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Unread 04-18-2017, 09:53 PM   #1
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My therapist has been asking questions..... Like what does it feel like, how do you know you are dissociating.....

I don't even know if it's that!!!!

I don't have words for what I feel how can I tell you!!!!

I'm frustrated by this and she sent me home with homework about it. If I can't say there how the hell am I supposed to do it at home!!!

So what I need are some examples to decide for myself if what I feel is truly dissociating.
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My therapist has been asking questions..... Like what does it feel like, how do you know you are dissociating.....

I don't even know if it's that!!!!

I don't have words for what I feel how can I tell you!!!!

I'm frustrated by this and she sent me home with homework about it. If I can't say there how the hell am I supposed to do it at home!!!

So what I need are some examples to decide for myself if what I feel is truly dissociating.
maybe this will help, in order for a therapist to ask someone how do you know you are dissociating, you first had to tell the therapist that you dissociate. right.

so now your therapist wants you to explain what you mean when you said you dissociate.

lets take a different situation... if you went to a doctor and said I feel a pain. the doctor is going to want to know what kind of pain you feel, where you feel that pain because they heard you say the words that you feel a pain.

well therapy is like that. if you say you dissociate, then they want to know what you mean by your saying you dissociate...

my suggestion is think about when you told your treatment provider that you dissociate and think about what you meant. what does the word dissociate mean to you, and how you feel that you are dissociating.

Im taking a guess here that you know what the word dissociating means to you, otherwise you would not have used that word when telling your therapist that you do it. so just think back to the conversation of when you said that you do it and then write out what you meant by saying it.

unless of course you just heard and like that word so you told your therapist a word (dissociate) in therapy with out understanding how and why you do it. One of my children does this sometimes and we have to explain to her not to repeat words she does not understand in context to herself..

my point in this case just explain to your treatment provider why you used the word dissociate and what you were feeling when you used the word "dissociate" they will be able to tell you what the correct word is for what ever is going on with in you.
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Dissociative Disorders - Symptoms

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also forgot to add... your therapist also most likely keeps notes on what you said to them. this means they will be able to match when you said you dissociate with any dissociative symptoms you have told them about in the past sessions.

reason I wanted to add that is because sometimes people will go online after talking with their treatment providers and it messing things up for that person, sometimes they end up getting diagnosed not with what they are trying to tell their treatment provider about but rather something else that they may not have.

let me show you what I mean...

if I went to my treatment provider and told her I was dissociating. then she asked me what I meant, how was I dissociating. rather than telling her that I have this or that problem I go online and find out someones answer was hearing voices. ok I tell my treatment provider I hear voices. treatment provider writes me up as having schizophrenia not as a dissociative disorder.

but if I go to my therapist and say I am dissociating, I feel this way and that way and when this happens I feel that way. (telling the treatment provider what is actually going on inside me, not what I have learned online...)my treatment provider is going to say ah yes you are dissociating, would you like to learn some grounding tools so that you dont dissociate anymore.

one thing you need to know about the USA...in 2013 the mental health system changed over to a whole new standard/ list of mental disorders including what is called dissociation, what symptoms are called dissociation symptoms... what that means is you can ask online what dissociation means but you will get lots of answers from all around the world and they may not be what your treatment provider has on their list of symptoms for dissociative problems.

so again just answer your therapists questions based on when you told them you dissociate and what you meant when you said it. they will be able to help you.
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Some places outside the USA and some USA insurance forms require the ICD codes. though it is less detailed and a bit different in wording it is the same criteria as the DSM 5 http://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Cod...48/F44-/F44.81

Sense of Agency is a new term associated with DID in my location (USA) http://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...se-agency.html

Reality Testing is a new diagnostic criteria for dissociative disorders here in the USA http://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...ml#post5180743

Revolving door http://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...ving-door.html

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That's the thing I'm not sure what I meant! I was asking for examples to see if what I feel is what I think.
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That's the thing I'm not sure what I meant! I was asking for examples to see if what I feel is what I think.
thats the thing about people online... people online like me, are not in your body and are not in your therapy sessions, dont have your same health issues, your same cultural background....so there is no way any one online (me included here ) can give you examples of how....you...feel and what ....you....might have meant. only you know why you told your therapist that you dissociate....only you know what you meant when you said that you dissociate..

I can tell you how ..........I.........feel when ........I.........dissociate but thats not going to be what you feel and how dissociation is for you,...

think of it this way.... your therapist knows you, and has been seeing you for how ever long. they are going to know whether you dissociate or not, they are going to know whether you are taking someone elses examples online or not. they dont want a list of how I dissociate. you are the one who said you dissociate so you will need to be the one to tell your therapist what you meant...

the best thing you can do now is just admit to your therapist you said the word but have no idea what it is and whether you actually do dissociate. then tell your therapist what you ......are.... feeling. its ok to admit that you dont know why you said that you dissociate.

heres a suggestion.... therapists have to keep a file on everyone that they see. in the files the write up whats called session notes....tell your therapist you dont know what you meant, then they can check in the session notes and tell you what you were talking about during your session when you said you dissociate. from there you can tell your therapist what you meant when you said it.

heres another suggestion... rather than saying words you may not know or understand keep it simple just tell your therapist in words that you do know and understand, to describe what you feel.
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Some places outside the USA and some USA insurance forms require the ICD codes. though it is less detailed and a bit different in wording it is the same criteria as the DSM 5 http://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Cod...48/F44-/F44.81

Sense of Agency is a new term associated with DID in my location (USA) http://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...se-agency.html

Reality Testing is a new diagnostic criteria for dissociative disorders here in the USA http://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...ml#post5180743

Revolving door http://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...ving-door.html

Testing procedures in the USA and .......Sample tests (not used for diagnosis purposes).......
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Puzzclar, I don't think you have to tell him that you are dissociating or not dissociatong. If something weird is happening to you and you don't understand it just explain to him what you're feeling whatever that is. Maybe you're spacing out or maybe you feel like you're hovering over your body or maybe you feel like you're going a million miles into your head but then your head is somewhere out the window. Just describe your feelings and let him interpret what is happening so he can help you. It is not your job to diagnose yourself or to know exactly what's happening to you but it is your job to just describe to him your feelings, emotions or physical sensations. I hope that helps a little.
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puzzclar.... I just wrote out a very long post with lots of examples of what dissociation is and symptoms of the disorder in general for you...

but then I decided to check out your past posts so I can relate my reply to you (hey I know I can get a bit wordy and such ...)

when I went back to reading your past posts.....I discovered an interesting thing...in more than one of them you stated you have a bachelors degree in psychology....

there goes my generalized post on what is dissociation and symptoms and relating it to your posted situation...heres why...

anyone with a bachelors degree in psychology has the knowledge of what dissociation is, what the symptoms for it are and whether they have dissociation problems or not.

anyone with a bachelors degree in psychology knows how and why they used the word dissociation in their therapy session. this isnt a situation of a teen ager not knowing medical/ mental health terms and throwing terms around with out knowing what they are and whether they apply to their life, like i originally thought.

so now my post is a bit different, to the point an shorter....

knowing that you are a psychology graduate my suggestion would be just tell your treatment provider how and why you said the word dissociation and how it applies to you and your life.

dont take your treatment provider for a fool. they have taken the same courses that you did to get your bachelors degree,

what it boils down to is that since you do have a bachelors degree in psychology, of course they are going to expect you to explain what you mean on the same level that you have for education and vocabulary that you are using with them.

just be honest with them.

Also wanted to add.... the examples that another poster gave you of hovering over body here where I am and with in ....me....is called near death experience, feeling like a million miles in my head is called psychosis with in me, feeling/ believing my head is out the window in me is called hallucinations and medication side effects.

these listed symptoms come with many different normal, mental and physical health problems, not always called dissociation.
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my locations (USA) Dissociative Disorders diagnostic criteriahttp://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...s-dsm-5-a.html

Some places outside the USA and some USA insurance forms require the ICD codes. though it is less detailed and a bit different in wording it is the same criteria as the DSM 5 http://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Cod...48/F44-/F44.81

Sense of Agency is a new term associated with DID in my location (USA) http://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...se-agency.html

Reality Testing is a new diagnostic criteria for dissociative disorders here in the USA http://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...ml#post5180743

Revolving door http://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...ving-door.html

Testing procedures in the USA and .......Sample tests (not used for diagnosis purposes).......
https://forums.psychcentral.com/diss...disorders.html

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Forget the degree! Forget everything that was said! And just focus on experience. That's all I'm looking for!
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