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Old 03-22-2019, 11:11 PM #1
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Default smart "bipolar," dull "schizophrenic" ?

are "Schizophrenics" less intelligent than "Bipolars" ?
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Default smart "bipolar," dull "schizophrenic" ?

I don't believe that it's an either or thing. Schizophrenia can affect cognitive abilities significantly so a person may seem less intelligent than they actually are due to the illness or medications. There are highly intelligent people with schizophrenia, people with lower intelligence with it, and same with bipolar. Everyone as an individual is different.
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Default Re: smart "bipolar," dull "schizophrenic" ?

I would say no. I met very intelligent schizophrenics and less intelligent bipolar patients while in IP. I also agree with Blue Bird that intelligent people can seem less so while heavily medicated. I know I was extremely spaced out when I first started taking meds. I couldn't concentrate and my speech was blunted. It took a while before I felt like my brain was able to process correctly again.
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Default Re: smart "bipolar," dull "schizophrenic" ?

I know of highly intelligent people with both schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, and others who are less so. I think fern makes a good point about the medication and sedation. I also think aspects/symptoms of each disorder can make a person with them possibly seem less intelligent than they are. For example, in schizophrenia, "negative" symptoms. And in bipolar disorder, depression can bring on slowing of thinking that is normally fast during stability.

One of the most famous people I know who had schizophrenia was John Nash, who was a major genius and Nobel prize winner. Elyn Saks, a university dean and professor with several degrees, also has an inspiring story (see Brilliant, successful and living with schizophrenia | Al Jazeera America)
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Default Re: smart "bipolar," dull "schizophrenic" ?

Smarts are not tied to an illness, IMAO.
Or the lack there of.
Either you have 'em, or you don't.

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Default Re: smart "bipolar," dull "schizophrenic" ?

Maybe negative symptoms with schizophrenia make people seem less intelligent. Or maybe mania is associated with mad genius?
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Default Re: smart "bipolar," dull "schizophrenic" ?

i wasn't trying to generalize or anything. i think there's a manic depressive mythos, brought to use by virginia woolfe, ernest hemingway, etc. and then...schizophrenia. schizophrenia is much more loosely defined, treated by particularly noxious drugs, often involves poverty and social isolation...

so there you go. i was just 'picking your brains,' as they say (but not with an icepick).
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