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Unread 03-30-2009, 11:09 PM   #11
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thanks exotic, but i think the BPD i was referring to (and scared of!) was borderline personality disorder. i already have a variant of bipolar disorder, but that seems to be under control (the mania side, anyway). acronyms always get me confused, *especially* when BPD is used for both borderline and bipolar. gah.

impy - no! definitely DO NOT want bordeline! want nothing to do with it, in fact. am scared to tell new health care providers about past self injury, in case they interpret it as a bordeline trait. my one big fear in therapy is that i will be 'caught out' as having the disorder. my anxiety to avoid the label borders on the pathological, i know. i have reasons for not wanting to identify that way, even though i know that most of them aren't valid. but hell, i can be stubborn and believe in things that are illogical . so yeah - the idea that C-PTSD somehow encompasses a BPD diagnosis scares the **** out of me. pdoc delivers bad news to me all the time, but certainly if he could avoid it he would - and if C-PTSD captures BPD, then he could avoid it easily by delivering the more palateable diagnosis, surely?

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I have C-PTSD too. From what I read before this new diagnoses was created, some people with trauma were diagnosed as having BPD. That was the old days, now they know better.
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some theorists maintain that borderline personality disorder is a kind of post-traumatic stress disorder. dx categories are fairly arbitrary (within limits), depends on the theoretical preferences of your clinician to a rather large extent.
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admitting of course that this whole science is vast and complex, this is something that I ran across in one of the trauma dot org's

BPD is classified as a personality disorder;
CPTSD, on the other hand, is psychological injury; something happened.

Both can exist in the same person.

Please know that I don't mean to oversimplify or minimize either - not at all. I am trying to understand my own cptsd.
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I have CPTSD. I also have some traights that would make me a candidate for a borderline dx - namely a history of cutting. But for me the CPTSD dx makes a lot more sense, namely the hper vigilance, heightened arousal / startle response, lack of memory, dissociation etc.

When I first started reading up on psych disorders I related to a lot of borderline dx traits and personally found some of the books aimed at borderline to be personally very helpful. I especially liked "Lost in the Mirror."

Now that I understand more about the different dx and have had more conversations with my pdoc and T, I do see that CPTSD fits better and it helps me understand myslef better. Now I spit nails at anyone who tries to label me borderline. I had one pdoc (temporary) try to dx me as borderline, simply because I used to cut. When I told my regular pdoc about it, she was really pissed and got my psych records ammended to say she disagreed.

It's not so much that one dx is worse than another - borderline used to be viewed as untreatable and borderlien patients were sometimes seen as problem patients. But with DBT now there are effective treatment strategies for Borderline, just as there are effective treatment strategies for CPTSD.

They're both complicated Dx & a little hard to get your head around, but in the end their just verbal shorthand for professionals to describe a cluster of symptoms.

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admitting of course that this whole science is vast and complex, this is something that I ran across in one of the trauma dot org's

BPD is classified as a personality disorder;
CPTSD, on the other hand, is psychological injury; something happened.

Both can exist in the same person.

Please know that I don't mean to oversimplify or minimize either - not at all. I am trying to understand my own cptsd.
this is really helpful, sawe. thank you for sharing.
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You think borderline personality disorder just exists, without having had something happen to the person to cause it? I mean, that seems to me just a way to put someone down, not having to understand what caused it, but putting them in the category of a leper. (And we all know that leprosy cannot be understood which at one time was true.)

My mother had traits of borderline personality disorder (my diagnosis) but I can bet it was as a result of her own childhood, not just something that she created in order to make my life miserable.
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You think borderline personality disorder just exists, without having had something happen to the person to cause it? I mean, that seems to me just a way to put someone down, not having to understand what caused it, but putting them in the category of a leper. (And we all know that leprosy cannot be understood which at one time was true.)

My mother had traits of borderline personality disorder (my diagnosis) but I can bet it was as a result of her own childhood, not just something that she created in order to make my life miserable.

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You think borderline personality disorder just exists, without having had something happen to the person to cause it? I mean, that seems to me just a way to put someone down, not having to understand what caused it, but putting them in the category of a leper. (And we all know that leprosy cannot be understood which at one time was true.)

My mother had traits of borderline personality disorder (my diagnosis) but I can bet it was as a result of her own childhood, not just something that she created in order to make my life miserable.
wow, Pachy, I never said anthing REMOTELY like that. I was just saying what I had seen at one of the trauma dot org sites, that seemed helpful to me - there is a relationship between the two, they are not the same though.
I specifically said I was not trying to oversimplify or minimize anything. I never meant to hurt anyone!! I apologize deeply.
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The negative comments about BPD both surprise and upset me very much. I'm used to posting on a recovery board for BPD, and I didn't realize there was still so much of a stigma about having this dx. BPD is not a "death sentence" at all. Besides CBT, there is a treatment known as DBT which helps many overcome the disorder.

There are hundreds of variations of BPD, and many people do not exhibit the traits that have been sensationalized such as cutting, abusive behavior, and unstable relationships. I have a diagnosis of BPD and I never cut, nor was I promiscuous or a shoplifter or any other of those publicized traits. I was definitely not resistant to therapy! I do not come from an abusive or unstable family, either.

BPD is the abbreviation for borderline personality disorder; BP is the one for bipolar, though I can see how they can be confused.

Deli, I don't understand why you are so afraid of having that dx. Like others have said, it's just a dx and doesn't mean much by itself. What's important is that we each get the treatment that helps us the most, no matter what our dx is. I was always told "you're not your diagnosis, you're YOU."

Peaches, I don't know if the term is used here, but I didn't mean to hijack your thread. I don't know much about Complex PTSD. I'd suggest discussing the differences between it and BPD with your T if you're confused. But remember, you are NOT your diagnosis.
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